tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20551805.post742599303584727013..comments2024-01-04T17:49:08.211-05:00Comments on One World, One Mind, One Heart: Numen, Old Men: Contemporary Masculine Spiritualities and the Problem of Patriarchy, by Joseph Gelfer .Gary Stamperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13750503453297842748noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20551805.post-26807249130016449552009-07-20T15:42:03.302-04:002009-07-20T15:42:03.302-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gary Stamperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13750503453297842748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20551805.post-78331169123995726372009-07-20T15:42:01.467-04:002009-07-20T15:42:01.467-04:00Hey Duff,
Thanks for your comments. Your first-ha...Hey Duff,<br /><br />Thanks for your comments. Your first-hand perspective on Wilber's shadow as a masculine dominator hierarchy is an important one, and I am more than willing, though disappointed, to add it, and Joseph's, to the mix.<br /><br />Another example would be the Guru and the Pandit episode in WIE where Cohen totally went up and out in his dismissal of feminine spirituality while claiming to have facilitated a breakthrough for these women. Three points made me queasy: That Cohen said it, that Wilber didn't call him on it, and worse, that the women allowed it.<br /><br />They should try that around the women I know and love.sionGary Stamperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13750503453297842748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20551805.post-76395877094979476362009-07-18T00:27:38.220-04:002009-07-18T00:27:38.220-04:00"Wilber's tirade about his critics seem m..."Wilber's tirade about his critics seem more about shadow than masculine dominating Hierarchy."<br /><br />I think that Wilber's shadow *is* a masculine dominating hierarchy. That was certainly my direct experience of him when I worked at Integral Institute, which by the way was organized as a dominator hierarchy with Wilber in his multi-million dollar loft apartment surrounded by various circles of peons who competed for his attention and power all being paid illegally low wages ($5/hr at one point, which only changed when the organization was sued by a former employee).<br /><br />I'm not sure I agree that archetypes are purely psychic and not spiritual (at least in Jung's understanding) for this sets up a kind of psychic-spiritual dualism parallel to the mind-body dualism. <br /><br />But overall, I found Gelfer's book very valuable as an addition to the discussion on masculine spiritualities, and a solid critique of the Integral men's movement, which regularly commits the pre/trans fallacy with regards to patriarchy and feminism.Duffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08800425116422980923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20551805.post-63419639532032324522009-07-17T03:51:13.399-04:002009-07-17T03:51:13.399-04:00Hi Gary
Caught as I am between relativistic plura...Hi Gary<br /><br />Caught as I am between relativistic pluralism and the mean green meme, it’s tempting to say that it is a rather crafty move on behalf of integral theory and SD to mark those who disagree with them as developmentally inferior (or having a view from only a few thousand feet?) ;)<br /><br />Readworthy “to gain some insights on other perspectives and to sharpen critical thinking”? I’ll happily take that! Thanks for engaging with the book.<br /><br />JGJosephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09992584084711548816noreply@blogger.com